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grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's the only way you're going to get re-elected, then darn it, it's not worth it, and i think a lot of republicans are coming to that conclusion. >> there are some encouraging signs. here is democratic senator dick durbin today speaking about the possibility of a deal on the fiscal cliff. take a listen. >> pick up any of the hill newspapers and look for the full-page ads. basically saying to the left, keep your hands off the entitlements and to the right, keep your hands off of taxes. well, if both sides heed those warnings, nothing will happen. >> congressman, he's
grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they have to be patriots and that's what this is about. are you going to put the interests of your country and your constituents above special interests that grover norquist has and the threat that he holds of pouring millions of dollars into your campaign? if that's...
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i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents. anybody who is a student body president ought to be drowned. >> wow, strong feelings. >> did he sign an oath to that in that regard? >> the thing go grover, he's an entertaining guy and he does wield a lot of power. not as much as people said, but chuck todd said he's a symbol of absolutism. dan, what i wanted to ask you about is something else coming into the picture here in these negotiations is the debt ceiling. if that's going to be -- we're going to sort of come up against that a couple months into the new year, not at the same time as this fiscal slope. obama said to boehner he wants
i have to say something about grover norquist first. i tell you what, i like grover norquist. you don't have to agree with him, but i'm amused by him. my favorite grover norquist story when i covered congress in 2005 and 2006, somehow i did a story about politicians who were active as student politics at colleges. i think he had been or he had some thoughts on him. i called him up for a quote, and he didn't let me done. i didn't get the question out of my mouth about student body presidents....
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. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show kno
. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height....
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grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i t
grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the...
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joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going on right now? does any of this surprise you? >> well, so far, what we've seen is the same people who two years ago got in front of tv cameras and said let's make a deal when it was the simpson-bowles proposal, when it was the budget control act, because of the debt ceiling. it's the same collection of people with the same sort of statements. so i don't see any movement towards republicans wanting to raise taxes or people wanting to break their pledge. in fact, to be fair to everybody, some of these people have had impure thoughts. no one has pulled the trigger and voted for a tax increase. >> i know
joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same, in your opinion, is there something different going...
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they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher income earners. you wouldn't tell somebody who is in the middle class that they can no longer take their mortgage deduction. >> no, i understand that. but the math, as bill clinton says, when you do just that, it doesn't added a up. >> we have to have rates -- >> we have to have -- anyone who is really serious and has looked at it knows that it doesn't added a up. tell us the deductions that you're talking about. that was mitt romney's biggest problem. and then i think it's also important to note that we've got to do something about military spending. we spend more
they are finding out that nobody voted for grover norquist. it's time to start acting in the interest of the country, as lindsey graham said. you can't do it by capping deductions. as bill clinton said, the math does not add up. unless you specify the deductions that you want to get rid of or the ones that we need to reduce, they are the ones that are massively unpopular. >> governor, what i think lindsay graham was saying is that the reductions and deductions would be on the higher...
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you need to know this is a possible a grover norquist the multimillionaire k. street lobbyists long funded by billionaires is an enemy of the state pretty strong language but consider that he has connived over the years to get literally hundreds of members of congress to violate their own awful oath of office by pledging a higher of both to keep billionaires taxes lower. on an ongoing basis their acquirement for members of congress to swear an oath to our country is in the constitution itself it's an article six says the senators and representatives shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this constitution so starting with the first congress and seven hundred eighty nine members were sworn in by saying i do solemnly swear or affirm that i will support the constitution of the united states during the civil war president abraham lincoln supported in congress asked on july second six eight hundred sixty two legislation requiring an oath that added the members of congress had not previously engaged in any quote criminal or disloyal conduct and quote which
you need to know this is a possible a grover norquist the multimillionaire k. street lobbyists long funded by billionaires is an enemy of the state pretty strong language but consider that he has connived over the years to get literally hundreds of members of congress to violate their own awful oath of office by pledging a higher of both to keep billionaires taxes lower. on an ongoing basis their acquirement for members of congress to swear an oath to our country is in the constitution itself...
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this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current economic and political moment it is also a service if republicans prevent tax rates from going up. providing some cover there. have republicans effectively caved on the idea of raising revenue? >> i don't think republicans have caved on anything related to taxes. we do have to remember that it is possible to bring in more revenue without raising taxes. any time you stimulate economic growth that's going to bring in more revenue. i want more revenue because i want more economic growth. that's the best way to bring in more revenue, to fund government
this famous pledge sponsored by grover norquist. conservative to say the least seemed to throw in the towel, providing maybe some cover for some republicans here. let me read to you what they said. if taxes are going up anyway because the bush tax rates expire and republicans can stop them from going up as much as they otherwise would, then pledge-takers deserve some credit for that. mr. norquist says it violates his pledge to eliminate deductions without lowering rates but at the current...
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however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there you had grover norquist from the americans for tax reform who has spearheaded this no tax pledge. the fact of the matter is, zoraida, to reach an agreement there's going to have to be compromise, whether that means increasing taxes on some, whether that means changing entitlement reform, both sides are going to have to come to the table to try to reach an agreement. >> mark, can you remind folks how long ago that pledge was signed? >> this goes back years and years and years for many of these lawmakers in congress. they tend to be conservative. it's a very simpl
however grover norquist is threatening those who do so. let's hear what he had to say. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. you've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> there...
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who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we would certainl
who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another...
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. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to go up a little bit on some people. we have got a long way to go, though. we still are going to have to start talking about tax increases on the middle class at some point. that is going to be an entirely different battle. the nmagnitude of the problem will require increases on the middle class or tax cuts that are really deep. the tax increases is going to solve th
. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too...
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grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to bring out grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. good morning, grover. [applause] >> you don't have your bag. he is attached to his bag. >> they told me it was too streamlined up here for the bag. >> thank you very much for coming out. can republicans raise taxes and not break your pledge? >> difficult. >> it's not know
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grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like missouri's todd akin or indiana's richard
grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92....
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. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we ar
. >> unfortunately, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy....
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grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington they will reform government and spend less money, rather than raise taxes. when harry read says that the commitment of those republican senators not to raise taxes is an impediment he means it's an impediment to raising taxes so obama and reid can keep spending money. reid has been supportive of every one of barack obama's wasteful spending programs e. wants to raise taxes to pay for it. you heard from van hollen earlier they are not interested in cutting any spending at all. they want to koeupbt as their contribution to budget he restraint, democrats. cuts already in law and 800 b
grover norquist, americans for tax reform. good morning to you. >> sure. bill: harry reid, what do you think about that? >> well, only senator harry reid of nevada could pack that many lies into something quite that short. look, the taxpayer protection pledge as harry reid well knows is a commitment by senators and congressmen to their constituents, not to me personally, reid tells that lie over and over again, a commitment to their constituents that when they come to washington...
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grover norquist is your tomorrow. these are your pals. [laughter] >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first, is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong that we're in -- i agree with what a lot of what michael is trying to take us, but i, as a realist to use to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be. i guess my question is to you, do you believe given the people you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to reactive response? because of their inability to get along with the guys in the white house, and gals? >> we just don't get along but that's been true for a long time so how do you get past that? we have to go back to a different kind of leadership, the kindly with ronald reagan, with bill clinton, where presidential leadership meant here's what america needs. i will send this bill, say to the congress. what that does for the congress is against them air cover. they can say we don't want to do this. the president -- >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton the fis
grover norquist is your tomorrow. these are your pals. [laughter] >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first, is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong that we're in -- i agree with what a lot of what michael is trying to take us, but i, as a realist to use to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be. i guess my question is to you, do you believe given the people you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to...
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that's grover norquist in the new york times. basically, you're saying, you're going to hold the line. it's a tough house, you're going to hold the line. okay, now, bear with me for a second. you fast forward until the end of december, there's no deal. the republicans is not caved and the president is pressing for higher tax rates on the rich. he says to the republicans, look what you're doing, you're going to push us over the cliff, you're going to push us into recession and you're going to get the blame and do you doubt for one moment that the republicans would get the blame if we go into recession and over the cliff? 'cause they would, you know, and there's another vote coming up in two years and they'd be carrying that around and they carry a recession around their neck. go. >> it is true that cbs will tell that story. but, what i've been urging the republicans to do is two things, one is, to insist that the negotiations, as we move forward, be on c-span and the reason for that we know from woodward's book and from talking to
that's grover norquist in the new york times. basically, you're saying, you're going to hold the line. it's a tough house, you're going to hold the line. okay, now, bear with me for a second. you fast forward until the end of december, there's no deal. the republicans is not caved and the president is pressing for higher tax rates on the rich. he says to the republicans, look what you're doing, you're going to push us over the cliff, you're going to push us into recession and you're going to...
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one senator is defending grover norquist's anti-tax stance. that's senator rand paul. he'll join us live in a few minutes. >>> even black friday couldn't save retailers from superstorm sandy. sales for november taking a hit in the wake of that storm. what does it mean, though, for the holiday shopping season? we'll tell you how to play it. >>> a wade of companies issuing special dividends ahead of the fiscal cliff. sounds like a plus for the company. we'll tell you why it could be more of a warning sign. >>> and how senate majority leader harry reid's home state of nevada could get hit hard if congress cannot make a deal on the fiscal cliff. >>> we're going to start with the cme group. rick santelli, the santelli exchange. i'm told a little poetry. i just hope it's not frost saying some say the world will end in fire, some saying ice. >> it's not going to be fire and ice. it is going to be some fire and brimstone! how's that? you know, i liked warren buffett's op-ed the other day in the "time"s. a minimum tax for the wealthy. we're going to get to a couple quotes in th
one senator is defending grover norquist's anti-tax stance. that's senator rand paul. he'll join us live in a few minutes. >>> even black friday couldn't save retailers from superstorm sandy. sales for november taking a hit in the wake of that storm. what does it mean, though, for the holiday shopping season? we'll tell you how to play it. >>> a wade of companies issuing special dividends ahead of the fiscal cliff. sounds like a plus for the company. we'll tell you why it...
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norquist whose name we've been hearing quite a lot the president of americans for tax reform all of these sort of different fashions of come together and they've said you know what this is a good thing that the government should not be able to do this without giving permission just one other aspect of the bill i want to mention is that if they do obtain a warrant language in the bills that unless there's a threat to. homeland security that they have to let the person know they have to let you know if they in fact get a warrant to get your electronic communication so really a victory in the eyes of quite a few privacy rights advocates now the president on the senate judiciary committee concert played me a democrat from vermont he's been around for. quite a long time now when he when the when this first bill was passed i spoke to his office a little while ago he says this is a huge victory this is much needed progress he spoke on camera just a little while ago. americans face even greater threats. in the expansion of the government's. power. i might say those powers. not just the fede
norquist whose name we've been hearing quite a lot the president of americans for tax reform all of these sort of different fashions of come together and they've said you know what this is a good thing that the government should not be able to do this without giving permission just one other aspect of the bill i want to mention is that if they do obtain a warrant language in the bills that unless there's a threat to. homeland security that they have to let the person know they have to let you...
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. >> that pledge was written by grover norquist and his group americans for tax reform. norquist talked about this on cnn's "the situation room." >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser, so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >> we've got 38 days before we go over that cliff. if there's no deal before the end of the year, taxes will go up for every american. >>> amid fears the cease-fire between israel and hamas and gaza won't last long, we found one place that is a zone of peace. where victims most importantly children from both sides of the border can find some common ground. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of? bikes and balloons, and noodles on spoons. a kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. catches and throws, and spaghettio's. a wand, some wings, soup wit
. >> that pledge was written by grover norquist and his group americans for tax reform. norquist talked about this on cnn's "the situation room." >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser, so we don't have to reform government, he needs to...
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norquist. now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? i got it. don't help me. don't help me. rip flaumbe. >> we recently reported "the on june" satire newspaper named north korean leader kim jong un the sexiest man alive. apparently the joke was lost on china's communist party newspaper. they ended up running a 55-page spread of the leader congratulating him for the title. you can understand how that can be confusing, you know, his fashion sense. >> because i'm gullible? >> a little bit of everything. come on. you've got to have found with it. >> the "two and a half men" with thing, should we believe the video where he was live or the pr statement? >> i think we should believe he makes $350,000 an episode and that's enough said. >>> this is from care 11 news in minneapolis, where a wave of baby blue swept through a maternity ward for three days. delivery room doctors shouted it's a boy 19 consecutive times between 5:00 p.m. saturday and
norquist. now some republicans are abandoning the anti-tax pledge as fast as they abandoned -- what's his name? i got it. don't help me. don't help me. rip flaumbe. >> we recently reported "the on june" satire newspaper named north korean leader kim jong un the sexiest man alive. apparently the joke was lost on china's communist party newspaper. they ended up running a 55-page spread of the leader congratulating him for the title. you can understand how that can be confusing,...
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a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming grief, and republicans, republicans should put revenue on the table. we're this far in debt, we don't generate enough revenue. >> and that's his key difference here. he says he's okay with the no taxes but we do need to raise revenues and if that means cutting back on such things as tax rates, he will do it. also he says the democrats have to come forward here, as well. they have to do entitlements if he's going to break his pledge. zoraida? >> paul steinhauser live in washington for us. thank you. >> we're in the midst of the shopping frenzy an
a lot are saying they will violate grover norquist's no tax pledge. >> this pledge goes back to 1986 and you're now seeing some republicans saying no i'm going to break this pledge. lindsey graham from south carolina, the most recent saxby chambliss did it the other day. those republicans senators up for re-election in 2014. maybe they'll face a challenge from the right. take a look at what lindsey graham said on the sunday talk shows. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt the only...
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back to grover norquist. i think you get into difficult situation in relationships in general when you make people sign on the dotted line and then you crucify them if they ever decide to change their mind. i'll bring it back to like marriage. marriages don't work when one or both parties stand on both sides of the fence and say, i'm not budging. then you get divorced. that's what happens. and it's the same analogy can hold true here, not that republicans should all decide to raise taxes. there should be also cuts on the other side. but i do think you get into sticky water when you make people sign to something and then they feel like they can never change their mind. >> steve: it's nice that some people, they stand for something. i went to washington to try to change things. >> gretchen: i agree that. but then they should stand for it on their own of the they shouldn't have to sign a pledge from somebody else. >> steve: but there are other ways. the republicans make a good case, there are other ways to raise
back to grover norquist. i think you get into difficult situation in relationships in general when you make people sign on the dotted line and then you crucify them if they ever decide to change their mind. i'll bring it back to like marriage. marriages don't work when one or both parties stand on both sides of the fence and say, i'm not budging. then you get divorced. that's what happens. and it's the same analogy can hold true here, not that republicans should all decide to raise taxes. there...
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. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the
. >> let me ask you, you have a couple of senate republicans who have come out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do...
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that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. >> when i go to the constituents that have reelected me, it is not about that pledge. >> eric cantor, the majority leader in the house of representatives. joining us now, kevin mccarthy, the majority whip, the number three republican leader in the house of representatives. thanks for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> are you ready to jump on that bandwagon and violate that grover norquist pledge? >> i think what the american people want is to see the problem solved. what we have, we spend more than $1 trillion more than we bring in every year. we have to solve that problem
that pledge pushed by the conservative activist, grover norquist, has been part of republican orthodoxy for several years which makes statements like these so surprising. listen -- >> i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware, i was just elected, that will only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i served. >> a pledge you signed 20 years...
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the war now breaking with anti-tax crusader grover norquist who had gotten a majority of republican lawmakers to pledge not to support any effort to raise taxes. >> i'm willing to generate revenue, it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. we're below historic averages. i will not raise tax rates to do it. i will cap deductions. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> reporter: it's not yet clear when lawmakers and the president will meet next. a final deal could still be a long way off. >> we rarely see the hill and the white house make decisions early. i would be pleasantly surprised to see a deal emerge earlier than the end of the year. but we'll see. >> reporter: this week just might bring the parties one step closer. athena jones, cnn, washington. >>> anger and fresh clashes in egypt as dwivisions deepen over the president's new powers. even the financial markets taking notice. >>> a weekend getaway turned into a raging inferno. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortun
the war now breaking with anti-tax crusader grover norquist who had gotten a majority of republican lawmakers to pledge not to support any effort to raise taxes. >> i'm willing to generate revenue, it's fair to ask my party to put revenue on the table. we're below historic averages. i will not raise tax rates to do it. i will cap deductions. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrat will do entitlement reform. >> reporter: it's not yet...
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. >> so that is grover norquist if you don't already know. you probably should because he is making a lot of tv appearances. that was piers morgan tonight -- last night. >>> his group, american for tax reform is behind that no-tax pledge that's signed by the majority of republicans in congress. but now a few high-profile members of the gop are openingly questioning their pledge and saying it may stand in the way of getting a fiscal cliff deal done. that's one side of the equation. in exchange, those republicans say, look, we'll back down. but not if we don't get something for it. we want some entitlement reform. here are the big three entitlements -- social security, medicaid, and medicare, combined they make up 43% of federal spending last year. joining me is john avalon, cnn contributor, senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast. "and all around very smart person. you have a column out about this. it's great reading. a lot of math in it. tons of math. >> i was told there would be no math, but there's math. >> a chevy ch
. >> so that is grover norquist if you don't already know. you probably should because he is making a lot of tv appearances. that was piers morgan tonight -- last night. >>> his group, american for tax reform is behind that no-tax pledge that's signed by the majority of republicans in congress. but now a few high-profile members of the gop are openingly questioning their pledge and saying it may stand in the way of getting a fiscal cliff deal done. that's one side of the...
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has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here. i just want to add, we keep talking about tax reform but we have not really had a big conversation in the media about entitlement reform. medicare is exploding. billions of dollars, and we have millions of people are counting on it, will be retiring. baby boomers are retiring will go larger and larger. yet we have not talked about that yet. while we're talking about grover norquist versus these members i think the devil will be in the details. we'll have to talk about a broader conversation between tax revenue and entitlement reform.
has grover norquist lost his will? >> speaker boehner said revenues would be on the table as well as spending cuts and entitlement reform but we would not raise tax rates. i have seen nothing different than what these senators have said in the last day or so than what speaker boehner has said. the key here is the devil is in the details. once we see some sort of fine print in the next couple weeks, we'll know, you know, we'll know whether our legislators stand. one interesting thing here....
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grover norquist, the man behind the anti-tax pledge, signed by a number of republicans over the years, could be losing even more support. georgia senator saxby chambliss tells a georgia tv station he's considering breaking the promise in order to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> and they are not the only ones trying to avoid the cliff. many major league baseball free agents are trying to get their money up front in 2012 to avoid tax increases. >>> well, the idea of selling designer merchandise on president obama's campaign website was mocked by some but the campaign is having the last laugh. bloomberg businessweek reports the idea by vogue editor anna wi wintor brought in more than $40 million. >>> meantime, the obama campaign is still fuming over some of the polls that got it wrong leading up to election day. the editor in chief for gallop whiched so mitt romney with a bigger lead admits gallup might have overestimated the get-out-the-oat efforts. >>> it's time for a geography quiz. put on your thinking caps. what is the name of this country? all right. if you said mexico, then
grover norquist, the man behind the anti-tax pledge, signed by a number of republicans over the years, could be losing even more support. georgia senator saxby chambliss tells a georgia tv station he's considering breaking the promise in order to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> and they are not the only ones trying to avoid the cliff. many major league baseball free agents are trying to get their money up front in 2012 to avoid tax increases. >>> well, the idea of...
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it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th district, home of john boehner. do his constituents think they're being faithfully represented. is he rising above as some say? why men might be the new women when it comes to retail. we have the controversial piece when "squawk on the street" comes back. n you take a closer . ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so
it has nothing to do with grover norquist. it has to do with our word. remember, with this program t.a.g. is takes away our freedom, because good institutions that need to draw business from business don't need to do that anymore. if there's a government guarantee, it lowers the liberty and the choices for all. back to you, carl. >> all right. rick, something to think about. talk to you in a few moments. can't wait for sheila bair with you in a few minutes. we're heading to ohio's 8th...
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of course grover norquist is fighting back. he called those statements by my republican colleagues impure thoughts. he called one of them a weasel. he is used to blind allegiance from the republican party and he's not going to take this lying down. but i am hopeful that more and more republicans will break away from grover norquist and that they will actually follow up on their new rhetoric with a genuine willingness to help us call on the wealthy to pay their fair share. and it should be easy for them because the senate actually has already passed a bill to do that and in a way that works for our middle class. the senate passed a bill that would extend the tax cuts for 98% of our workers and 97% of small business owners, and just let the tax cuts for the wealthiest americans expire as scheduled. we have sent that bill over to the house now. the president said he would sign it. all house republicans have to do is pass that bill, and a significant chunk of the fiscal cliff will disappear for the middle class. when that's done, w
of course grover norquist is fighting back. he called those statements by my republican colleagues impure thoughts. he called one of them a weasel. he is used to blind allegiance from the republican party and he's not going to take this lying down. but i am hopeful that more and more republicans will break away from grover norquist and that they will actually follow up on their new rhetoric with a genuine willingness to help us call on the wealthy to pay their fair share. and it should be easy...
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. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he's done a very effective job of marketing that and marketing himself. this is about a stance of the republicans as the party of less government. democrats as the party of more government. but i do think because republicans lost the election, because they've had a difficult time, new york jets fans might recognizefy said they've had the equivalent of a butt fumble over the last couple of months. republicans are on the defensive. they are back
. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this...
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thank you, dan. >>> grover norquist not going to go away quietly. he is defending his organization's no tax pledge. he says despite what we've just heard from those republicans, nobody is backing down. here's norquist this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was used to pay down the debt. of course, it won't. it would be spent. >> one familiar billionaire is, again, calling for the rich to pay just a little more. in an op ed column today's "new york times" investor warren buffett add slow indicates a minimum tax on what he calls the ultra rich. he says it will not wreck the economy. "the ultrarich, including me, will forever pursue investment opportunities." >> republican senator john mccain says that he is open to changing his mind on susan rice. now, if she's nominated to become the next swuf state, mccain, he now says he has, of course, been
thank you, dan. >>> grover norquist not going to go away quietly. he is defending his organization's no tax pledge. he says despite what we've just heard from those republicans, nobody is backing down. here's norquist this morning on cnn's "starting point." >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. we've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. however, even lindsey graham, if you listen to him, he would support higher taxes if it was...
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rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that is their take on tax hikes. eddie, on our line for independents, you are next. caller: i think president obama was elected to make the hard costs. host: what you mean? caller: he was elected to make a choice for the country. the majority of the country. the republicans are wrong and he is right. and i think that he should let us what the fiscal cliff because the republicans are scrambling out trying to change everything. they need to mow them out. and change it then. but i think they should let them go off the cliff. host: are you on medicare and social security? having yes. cliff wranglers way medicare age. can the country afford to continue on this road? paying what we pay for medicare? caller: we can afford it but it is a necessary evil. we have got to of the people stand firm and put the country back on a track that
rest in peace, grover norquist? there are not enough republican tax hikes -- republicans to hike taxes for obama. the left is doing its best to make tax hikes appear to be a foregone conclusion. that is their take on tax hikes. eddie, on our line for independents, you are next. caller: i think president obama was elected to make the hard costs. host: what you mean? caller: he was elected to make a choice for the country. the majority of the country. the republicans are wrong and he is right....
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because you have republicans saying that they are willing to abandon the grover norquist no tax pledge. you have republicans making very conciliatory noises about immigration reform. and so the base is concerned that the party is basically just going to go along with democrats on everything. so that may have been a way to reassure conservatives that he hasn't abandoned them. pete: all right, molly. everything here seems to be continued but this is certainly one of them. while avoiding the fiscal cliff will prevent the economy from sliding down into recession, it won't put 12 million people back to work. and jim has written in "national journal" that president obama has to contend with four other forces if he wants to get the economy on better footing. what are those forces? >> these are the forces that have been holding back the recovery in big tore little ways over the last few years. ever since the recession ended. the good news is that a couple of them are starting to abate. let's start with the one that's getting hert. the housing market absolutely was the main driver for why this
because you have republicans saying that they are willing to abandon the grover norquist no tax pledge. you have republicans making very conciliatory noises about immigration reform. and so the base is concerned that the party is basically just going to go along with democrats on everything. so that may have been a way to reassure conservatives that he hasn't abandoned them. pete: all right, molly. everything here seems to be continued but this is certainly one of them. while avoiding the...
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norquist commitments that wouldn't give any on the deal you're talking about. and i'm encouraged when i hear colleagues implying that maybe they will give. i'm a preacher. sunday morning, i love congress calling. maybe you are all coming over this way and not being so hard lined. but it was not the president in the grand bargain. it was the norquist committed republican caucus that after boehner made the agreement would not let him do it. >> look, you had on this program this morning peter king saying this, chambliss is saying, that does seem to be breaking. we can still fight about tax rates over capital gains or whatever, but it does seem to be breaking. >> i think people know a deal needs to be made. i think these are practical people. but i also think that the president needs at this juncture to go back to what andrea said. the president needs to provide a view of what his agenda actually is. the reverend said he should govern the way he campaigned. there were not a lot of big ideas in his campaign. taxing the wealthy is not a big idea. taxing the wealthy i
norquist commitments that wouldn't give any on the deal you're talking about. and i'm encouraged when i hear colleagues implying that maybe they will give. i'm a preacher. sunday morning, i love congress calling. maybe you are all coming over this way and not being so hard lined. but it was not the president in the grand bargain. it was the norquist committed republican caucus that after boehner made the agreement would not let him do it. >> look, you had on this program this morning...
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/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes. >> i would be very much opposed to raising tax rates. but i do believe we can close a lot of loopholes. >> reporter: and democrats say just closing loopholes and cutting deductions isn't enough. >> you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. >> reporter: in any deal, republicans insist on big cuts to entitlement programs like medicare and social security. now taxes are getting all the attention right now but these talks also need to address the federal debt limit. it's set by law at $16.4 trillion. the nation is already approaching the na
/norquist pledge which most of them signed that they will not go for additional revenues. >> reporter: for the first time, even the anti-tax pledge appears to be negotiable. several republicans are indicating they're open to breaking that promise. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece and republicans should put revenue on the table. >> reporter: but new revenue doesn't necessarily mean new taxes....
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. >> reporter: they are talking about that man's pledge, americans for tax reform president grover norquist who has hundreds of republicans signed. >> do you feel you are under assault? >> no. it allows elected officials to make it clear openly to voters where they stand. are they going to be able to perform in government of raising taxes. >> reporter: norquist's threat that he will help fund republican campaign challenges against those who violate the pledge. >> what i think i hear you saying, we won't go over. >> i think we will continue the tax cuts. not raise taxes $500 billion. >> reporter: while norquist tries to keep republicans in line -- >> protecting medicare, medicare and education from cuts -- >> reporter: major unions have spent millions targeting democrats, hoping to stop the program. congressional staffers met over the holiday week and leaders hope to meet with the president in the coming week. there are predictions it could be wrapped up before christmas. we'll see. >> david kerley, thank you. >>> we are going to turn overseas and a scene of horror. a clothing factory that w
. >> reporter: they are talking about that man's pledge, americans for tax reform president grover norquist who has hundreds of republicans signed. >> do you feel you are under assault? >> no. it allows elected officials to make it clear openly to voters where they stand. are they going to be able to perform in government of raising taxes. >> reporter: norquist's threat that he will help fund republican campaign challenges against those who violate the pledge. >>...
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i don't think even grover norquist would say that. >> if you called me at 2:00 a.m. awould say, yeah, okay, whatever you want to do with my money. >> this is actually the same point that steve rattner made over the weekend which is all the guys and the women i know on wall street, none of them have ever become less energetic, less workaholics because of the capital gains rate at 25%. >> or 39.6%. >> hey, can i ask you about that, because -- help me understand this. we have a lot of people talking about how we need to 0 raise more taxes. >> sure. >> and i hear -- i hear the president talking about moving the top tax rate up to 39.6%. and i'm just wondering, is that as equitable an approach when a lot of really rich guys and women look at that 39.6%? right now i'm never going to pay that. >> yeah. >> would it be better to raise the capital-gains tax and say 15 to 20 or 15 to 25 percent would that help with income disparity a bit more? >> well, that's why i suggest a minimum tax, because you're absolutely right. of the 400 highest incomes in 2009, which average $200 mil
i don't think even grover norquist would say that. >> if you called me at 2:00 a.m. awould say, yeah, okay, whatever you want to do with my money. >> this is actually the same point that steve rattner made over the weekend which is all the guys and the women i know on wall street, none of them have ever become less energetic, less workaholics because of the capital gains rate at 25%. >> or 39.6%. >> hey, can i ask you about that, because -- help me understand this. we...